Thomas Price Adams

Ancestry.com last week updated some of the early London church records database. I was excited to find the birth of Thomas Price Adams on 2 April 1780 and his christening on 27 April 1780 at Holy Trinity Minories, Stepney, Middlesex, England. He was the son of George Adams and Sarah Price.

Some descendants of Thomas Price Adams have given his birth as 1779 at Hayden Square, Minories, and his christening as January 1780 at Haydin Place, Aldgate, London. I would be interested in learning the source for this information. [One always has to be sure that there are not two men by the same name from the same place. Stranger things have happened.]

Also, he seems to have had a previously unknown sister Sarah Adams who was born 16 August 1778 and christened on 22 January 1779 at the same place to the same parents.

Other children in the family include:
Emma Emily Adams (born 1781 and died 26 December 1848 near Westburn place, London and buried 1 January 1849 at St. Saviour Southwark, Middlesex.) She is mentioned in the Francis Daniell (1773-1858) diary, as is Tom Adams above.

The Daniell diary also mentions a Susan Adams who died on 10 August 1849, but I don't know just how she fits in, or even if she fits in. I've never been able to find her in any records, but upon checking my notes it seems that I previously had her as Sarah Adams. I guess I should check for a Sarah Adams dying about that date.

Elizabeth Adams (born 1788/1789 at Hollingbourne, Kent; died 12 March 1869) is another child in this family. She married the Rev. George Taylor (of Ashen, Essex; lecturer) on 1 January 1818 at St. Botolph Aldgate, London. He is the officiating minister at two of the Adams events: the 1831 burial of George Adams at St. Saviour Southwark, and at the 1849 burial of Emma Emily Adams also at St. Saviour Southwark. I have found three children for George and Elizabeth, but I am not yet ready to update my database on Rootsweb. There very well may be living descendants today.

Greg Ramstedt 17 October 2010

Alexander Sunderland of Eaton and Windsor

Tonight I think I may have stumbled upon a better understanding of Alexander Sunderland, who is mentioned in posts below. In earlier entries I speculated that he may have been involved with law in Windsor, which could explain why Francis Daniell (1749-1793) was in Windsor, Berkshire, in the 1770s. There is no evidence for this (so far), just speculation. More substantively, there may be some evidence that Alexander was part of the Yeomen of the Guards, or one of the bodyguards and personal attendants to kings George II and George III.

Here is what I know for sure:
Alexander Sunderland was of Eaton, Buckinghamshire in 1759 and 1761, and of Windsor, Berkshire in 1768. He was married to Margaret Mantell (chr. 9 Sept. 1716 at Elmsted, Kent; living 1768). The marriage date and place has not yet been found yet. Margaret is one of the daughters of Walter Mantell (born 1687) and Jane Bell (died 1775). According to Capt. William Mantell's 1761 will, Mr. Sunderland was of Eaton and was married to his sister Margaret Mantell. Margaret Sunderland is also mentioned in the Daniell v. Daniell 1801 Chancery Court case.

There is a PCC will of Alexander Sunderland, Gent., of Eaton, Buckinghamshire that was written 10 May 1759 and proved 26 March 1770. All his worldly estate goes to "my dear and loving wife Margaret" who is also his executrix.

[A possible first marriage is found in The Register Book of the Parish of St. Christopher nere the Stockes in London on page 21: 1732 April 10th: Alexander Sunderland of Eaton in ye County of Bucks Batchelor and Ann Pilgrim of ye same parish spinster were married by License by the Revd Major Best.]

My thoughts this evening:
I tried to find Eaton, Buckinghamshire in google maps, but google 'corrected' my search to Eton, Buckinghamshire. This is where the famous Eton College is located. I quickly found that Eton is just a little north of Windsor Castle. Prior to finding this, Eaton and Windsor seemed like to random places to me. Their proximity seems to fit well together. Did Alexander have a military connection to Windsor Castle, the royal residence?

Then I found the following entry as part of The Database of Court Officers 1660-1837 by Prof. Robert O. Bucholz and Sir John Sainty:
Sunderland, Alexander Yeoman of the Guard first occ. 1743 [Yeoman Hanger first occ. 1745] (Chamberlayne [1743] II iii, 217; ibid. [1745] II iii, 217; LC 3/58, f. 83). Vac. by 11 Mar. 1770 (Ibid., p. 394).

See: http://luc.edu/history/fac_resources/bucholz/DCO/DCO.html
www.luc.edu/history/fac_resources/bucholz/DCO/Database-Files/Index-S.pdf
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=43966

E. and J. Chamberlayne wrote Magnae Britanniae Notitia (1708-1755). LC stands for Lord Chamberlain's Papers, PRO. 'occ.' means occurs or occurrence. 'vac.' means vacated or vacation of office.

Notice that 'our' Alexander Sunderland's will is proved 26 March 1770, and the office of Yeoman of the Guard that was held by an Alexander Sunderland was vacated by 11 March 1770.

I realize this is more speculation, but the theory can now be tested. The evidence is very circumstantial: 1. proximity of Eton and Windsor, 2. possible approximate death dates. The general concept that I'm working on that makes all this seem plausible is that my 5x great-grandfather Francis Daniell (1749-1793) was an attorney and a 'soldier.' I don't think he was a common soldier, but I'm not sure he was an officer either. Finding this website on the Royal Household offers me another line to pursue, i.e. that Francis Daniell may have played some other role with the army at Windsor Castle. I don't see Francis Daniell in these lists online, but not all servants of the Crown are included. If it can be shown that Francis's uncle Alexander was a member of the Royal Household as a member of the Yeomen of the Guards, then my line of thought concerning some sort of royal appointment for Francis may be more likely. In this age of patronage it seems that connections and recommendations meant everything.

[If I can get to it, I hope to show in another writing that there are some other royal associations by the 1790s with the Daniells.]

Here are a few historical things on the Yeomen of the Guards:
They were bodyguards and personal attendants to the monarch. They are not the same as the Yeomen Warders or Beefeaters that you see at the Tower of London. In the 1700s a position with the Yeomen of the Guards could be purchased. Their main job was to follow the monarch around and protect him. Alexander Sunderland was a Yeoman Hanger which means that he was part of the group that "place and displace the tapestry in the royal apartments when the king removed from one palace to another." They used to be a military unit that went with kings to battle, and indeed their last opportunity to function in that capacity with when King George II led troops at the Battle of Dettingen in 1743. Since Alexander Sunderland started with this company "by 1743," I supposed he may have been present at that battle. Since the time of the Gunpowder Plot of 1605, the Yeomen of the Guards always search the Houses of Parliament for possible threats to the king when His Majesty comes to open parliament. See Gentleman's Magazine, Vol. 165, page 161, of 1838. Also see Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. 28, 1911 under 'Yeomen of the Guards.'

The Royal Household is only one part of British officialdom. The link below suggests other avenues of research for Alexander Sunderland and Francis Daniell.
http://www.history.ac.uk/bookshop/office-holders/office-holders-modern-britain

Greg Ramstedt 17 October 2010

Francis Daniell diary; King's School; barracks in Canterbury; George Adams

I’m going to add a few more miscellaneous things here that relate to the families being discussed.

There are some great maps of Canterbury on the internet. Unfortunately, the 1754 W & H Doidge map on the web is such low resolution that it can’t be read. The 1768 and 1822 maps are much clearer. This is the 1768 link: http://weblingua.hostinguk.com/invictaweb/canterburybuildings/maps/1768/map.htm
On the 1768 map of Canterbury, I see Green Court near the Cathedral and the King’s School.
On 11 June 1833, this is what Francis Daniell (1773-1858) had to say about the Green Court:
“Got into a steam boat at St. Katherine Stairs and after encountering a most awful gale of wind off the Hove arrived safe at Hern Bay about six o'clock and proceeded on foot to Canterbury. Oh! With what painful associations did I not pass through the Green Court, the play place of my happy boyish days, when at the King's School. The next day, the 12th, I took a long walk round the city and visited a few remaining old friends still left there; but alas what a sad alteration in them and all I saw--so, finding my little stock of cash was getting very short, instead of proceeding to Horton Priory, as I intended, I returned to London again by water.”

For years I’ve wondered about my ancestor Francis Daniell (1749-1793) dying in the barracks in St. George parish, Canterbury on the 7th of June 1793. In addition to being an attorney, he was also in the army. I don’t think he was in the East Kent Militia because he is also recorded as a ‘soldier’ when baptizing his children at New Windsor, Berkshire in the 1770s. I don’t know if he was in the cavalry, infantry or artillery. I append a quote below which suggests that soldiers were billeted in inns and public houses around Canterbury until proper barracks began to be built in 1794. Francis Daniell Sr. would have been 44 years old when he died at the barracks, and he most certainly must have been called up along with thousands of others after France declared war on Great Britain on 1 February 1793. For such a large scale-build up of forces, the inns and pubs were no longer sufficient to house the men. The land for the new cavalry barracks was obtained from Sir Edward Hales, bart., who was a distant cousin of the Mantells.

On the Historic Canterbury – Cavalry Barracks website we read: “When the measure of erecting national barracks, for accommodating the military, in preference to quartering them upon the publicans, had been sanctioned by parliament, various permanent buildings of this description were begun in different parts of the kingdom, exclusive of numerous temporary constructions for the same purpose, during the present war. Canterbury being usually the headquarters for a regiment of horse in times of peace, the innkeepers and publicans of that city soon felt the great increase of the army very severely, and, therefore, were among the first to petition for a removal of the heavy burden of quartering. Accordingly, at the beginning of the year 1794, sixteen acres of fine pasture land, part of the estate of Sir Edward Hales, bart. were purchased by the Board of Ordinance, for the purpose of building barracks sufficient to receive a regiment of cavalry upon the ordinary establishment.” http://www.machadoink.com/Military_Cavalry%20Barracks.htm

Since soldiers quartered in inns and public houses, and George Adams (died 1802) was an innkeeper of St. Bredman parish in Canterbury, perhaps Francis Daniell (1749-1793) had come to know George’s daughter Ann while being quartered at his inn in Canterbury. They married in 1772 by license, and since Ann was a few months underage, George Adams signed the allegation giving permission for his daughter to marry Francis Daniell at St. Olave Hart Street parish in London. This allegation was with the Vicar General of the Archbishop of Canterbury.

Felix Daniel; Elmsted; Honeywood; Dodd; Daniell; Mantell; Hastingleigh

1. Felix Daniel, gardener of the Friars; 2. A possible Elmsted and St. Paul’s connection between the Daniell, Mantell, Honeywood and Dodd families; Miss Honywood Frances Dodd.
—Greg Ramstedt, 7 October 2010 (gregramstedt@comcast.net)

For the past ten or fifteen years I rather doubted that James Daniell (1707-1758) of Longport, Canterbury, was the son of Felix Daniel and Mildred Terry. The memorial tablet on the wall at St. Paul’s Canterbury gives his age at death as 51. Sure enough, there was a possible christening for him in nearby St. George the Martyr parish on 7 December 1707, the son of Felix and Mildred. In the early 1980s I included Felix and Mildred on the pedigree and in Ancestral File, but I was always bothered that Felix is such an unusual name, and that the names Felix and Mildred are not used anywhere in the later generations of my Daniell family. By the 1990s I added the word “challenged” to my PAF database between the generations of James and Felix, and this caveat carried over to my Rootsweb WorldConnect submissions. Now, I’m thinking that James really was the son of Felix, and there are two pieces of evidence that may support this theory.

Felix was a ‘gardener’ at the friary, and a gardener didn’t seem important enough for the origins of a family that eventually attained much social prominence. (I will have to go through the parish registers again to see where I learned that he was a gardener at the friars. The marriage license of 1702 indicates that Felix was a gardener of St. Lawrence. St. Lawrence is a hamlet in St. Paul’s parish and in the old Longport manor. See http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=63695.) Felix is an uncommon name which I thought might be Huguenot or Walloon, and supposedly there was a large French protestant population in Canterbury.

About seven weeks ago I found James Daniell and Jane Mantell’s March 1743/1744 marriage allegation, and I was so surprised to see that James was a gardener at the time they wedded. Both the marriage record (St. Martin-in-the-Fields, London) and the allegation (Faculty Office of the Archbishop of Canterbury) give their home parish as “Almested.” A google search quickly led to Elmsted, Kent. The fact that both Felix and James were gardeners, I think, greatly increases the chances that they were father and son. Also, additional circumstantial evidence is found in the Canterbury marriage license of 20 June 1730 between Catherine Daniel and George Abbot, which was to take place either at Pelham or Elmsted, Kent. Catherine is christened on 23 September 1709 at St. George the Martyr, Canterbury, and is the next younger sister to James Daniell (1707-1758). Again, we have a tie-in with Elmsted, which just a few years later in 1744 is the residence of James Daniell, gardener.

To see Felix and Mildred’s family, go to:
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=gregramstedt&id=I268

James Daniell’s 1758 will states: “I give unto Jane Daniell my loving wife that house and land being in the parish of Hastinleigh in the county of Kent known by the name of Little Coomb now in the occupation of Frances Wood . . .” (Will dated 6 March 1758 and proved in the Archdeacon’s Court of Canterbury on 12 March 1759). The Mantells were from Monks Horton and Sellinge, just a short distance away. Three of Jane Mantell’s siblings were christened in Elmsted parish, which is also next to Hastingleigh. The property in Hastingleigh came into the hands of James’s son Francis Daniell (1749-1793). According to The Poll for the Knights of the Shire to Represent the County of Kent--1790, ‘Francis Daniel’ owned a freehold property consisting of a house and land in ‘Hastingligh’ which was occupied by F. Wood.

The house and lands then passed to Francis’s son Francis Daniell (1773-1858). In his diary, he calls his property Little Court, which I suppose may be another name for Little Coomb. On 2 October 1805 he writes: “Purchased the leasehold part of South Harton Estate for £373 and wrote to Rashleigh of London for the Title Deeds of my estate at Little Court, near Horton Priory in Kent.” Francis Daniell was living at Knowle in Bovey Tracey parish, Devonshire, in 1805. South Harton was in the adjacent parish of Lustleigh and had been in his wife’s family for many years. One gets the impression that Mr. Daniell is considering selling Little Court to help finance his purchases in Devonshire. On 16 June 1807 the diary shows: “I left London this morning and after a very unpleasant hot, dusty journey arrived at Canterbury and on the 18th visited my property at Hastingly in Kent.”

I have looked through Brian J. L. Berry’s excellent pdf publication Hastingleigh: 1000—2000 A.D. which can be found at www.hastingleigh.com, where I saw references to Little Coombe (but not Little Court). I could not find the names of James Daniell or Francis Daniell in his paper. I could not find the occupier Frances Wood either.

The pieces of the puzzle were quickly falling together. The fact that both Felix and James were gardeners greatly increases the chances that they are father and son. I don’t quite know how I should think of the term ‘gardener of the Fryars’ about 1700. I see that there were three friaries in Canterbury—Grey, White and Black. It looks like there is much archeological digging going on now at the Whitefriars. Since Felix and Mildred apparently are living in St. George the Martyr’s parish, my perusal of a map suggests that perhaps Felix worked at the Whitefriary. I’m not really sure what a whitefriary is, or was, especially 300 years ago.

From the Whitefriars: The Big Dig website (www.canterburytrust.co.uk/news/whitpg01.htm) it sounds like the Whitefriars was a residential area with lots of gardens at the time Felix probably worked there. It says, “After the dissolution of the monasteries in 1538, Canterbury Whitefriars was converted for use as an important residence and remained in that use for 250 years. Early maps of Canterbury in 1540 and 1640 show the area to have been dominated by the former precinct, with domestic properties filling most of the road frontages across the area, many with extensive gardens.”

Perhaps Felix did enjoy some social status, otherwise he would not have been acceptably in marriage to Mildred Terry, whose family appears to be prominent (especially with Knowler connections). I also have a vague sense of continuity from about 1600 to 1800 in St. Paul’s parish with christenings, marriages and burials of the Knowlers, Terry, Daniells, and Mantells, but it may all be coincidental.

Elmsted and St. Paul’s parish Canterbury seem to be a central part of the puzzle. Miss Honywood Frances Dodd (died 1753) gave away a lot of money through a trust beginning with Jane (nee Bell) Mantell, then Jane (nee Mantell) Daniell, and ultimately to James Daniell (1744-1802) and Francis Daniell (1749-1793). I really want to learn who this Miss Dodd was. I found that there is a long-standing titled Honeywood family at Avington in Elmsted, and a couple of their daughters had married men by the name of Dodd. The Mantells have a very distant relationship with another group of Honeywoods through the Turneys of Brockhill in Saltwood parish, Kent. But why would this spinster woman Miss Dodd make Jane (Bell) Mantell, Jane (Mantell) Daniell and the two boys her heirs? Is there a more recent family relationship between them?

Who is Miss Honywood Frances Dodd? I think I know how she may fit into the Honywoods of Evington, Elmsted, Kent. In The English Baronetage, 1741, page 108, (printed for Tho. Wotton, and found on google books) we find that Sir William Honywood (1650/51-1745), 2nd Bart., of Evington, Elmsted, Kent, and his wife Anna Christiana Newman (1657-1736) had two daughters who married men named Dodd. Their eldest daughter Anna Christiana Honywood (1675-1739) married in 1696 to John Dodd of Broxton, Cheshire, where the Dodd had been for centuries. Their two surviving children may not have left descendants. The other daughter of Sir William Honywood was Elizabeth Honywood (born 1682 in Elmsted) who married in 1704 to Joseph Dodd, storekeeper in his majesty’s navy, at Chatham. Elizabeth and Joseph had a daughter Frances, according to this 1741 publication. I suspect that this Frances is the same person as Miss Honywood Frances Dodd. I don’t know how John Dodd and Joseph Dodd may be related to each other.

So, if I have found the identity of Honywood Frances Dodd, the bigger question remains as to why she left her estate to the Mantells and Daniells. Honywood Frances Dodd was buried in St. Paul’s parish, Canterbury, on 1 December 1753. The Mantells and Daniells are closely associated with this parish. I first discovered the Mantell and Daniell memorial tablets in St. Paul’s on a trip to England in 1983.

The thread that ties all of these people together seems to be in the area of Elmsted, Kent, which includes the neighboring parishes of Hastingleigh, Monks Horton and Sellinge. The Daniell family is rooted in Hastingleigh and St. Paul’s Canterbury. The Mantell’s seat is at Horton Priory in Monks Horton parish, but they seem to live in St. Paul’s Canterbury, and they baptized three of their children at Elmsted. The Honywoods have their seat at Evington in Elmsted.

There is also a heavy royal navy connection between these areas, with the family of Admiral Rooke being from Monks Horton and St. Paul’s. Some of these neighbors may have influenced William Mantell (chr. 23 April 1713 in Elmsted) to enter the navy. Another of Sir William Honeywood’s daughters, Thomasine, married Josiah Burchett, Secretary of the Admiralty.

Honestly, I may be making too much of a possible family connection between the Daniell/Mantell and Honywood/Dodd families. Perhaps, Miss Honywood Frances Dodd was simply a close friend to Jane (Bell) Mantell or Jane (Mantell) Daniell, and chose them to receive her estate.

In trying to probe deeper into Mantell relationships, we really don’t know anything about the Bell family. Jane Bell married 19 October 1708 in Sellinge, Kent to Walter Mantell (1687-1741) of Horton Priory. Perhaps in some unknown way the Bells are related to the Dodd or Honeywood families. I have never attempted to trace the Bells, but a good place to start would be the will that Augustine Bell of Monks Horton wrote in 1653 and which was proved in 1661 in the Archdeacon’s Court. An inventory survives in connection with that will. Jane Bell would have been born well after this will was written, but perhaps Augustine was her grandfather. I have not looked at the will yet.

While Felix may have been a gardener in St. Lawrence hamlet in St. Paul’s parish, Canterbury, when he married in 1702, he seems to have married into a well-established family--the Terrys. Mildred Terry’s father, Michael Terry was christened in St. Paul’s parish in 1637. Terry family baptisms, marriages and burials in St. Paul’s go back to about 1600. In 1632 another Michael Terry married in Canterbury Cathedral to Mildred Knowler. Mildred Knowler’s parents may have married in St. Paul’s in 1611 and may be connected to the Knowlers of Herne parish, a family with late-Medieval origins. Mildred’s father may be the Thomas Knowler of Herne whose 1617 will was proved in the Consistory Court in 1618. The Terrys really need to be properly researched.

When discussing the origins of the Daniell family, I must mention Philip Daniell (1846-1881) and Mabilia Daniell’s book entitled Biographical History of the Family of Daniell or De Anyers of Cheshire 1066-1876 which was published in 1876 and can now be found with Google Books. While it is a very useful book in many respects, there are several errors on the Mantell and Daniell families found on pages 30 and 31. At present, I see no proven links back to earlier Daniells in Daresbury, Cheshire. There is a Daniell (and Mantell) coat-of-arms on the memorial plaques in St. Paul’s church, Canterbury, and it definitely bears a close resemblance to the Daresbury Daniell’s coat-of-arms, but it is possible that my Canterbury Daniells adopted it informally as their own. Those wall tablets were there by the 1790s, so it seems probable that the “nouveau riche” James Daniell (1744-1802) needed a suitable medieval family of Daniells as adoptive forebears to help facilitate his entry into the society of social elites.

I corresponded with Jacqueline C. H. Martineau (1915-2002) many years ago and she sent me a copy of an old Daniell pedigree scroll made in 1870 by her uncle James Whiteman Daniell (1854-1932). It attempts to connect James Daniell (died 1758) to the Daresbury Daniells, but then he crosses out the link when he realized that it was not supported by evidence. Jacqueline is a granddaughter of Col. James Le Geyt Daniell (1831-1919).

One could enter into a discussion of the various Daniell coat-of-arms, but I’m not really sure they ‘prove’ any particular ancestry. The socially ambitious frequently used other family’s coat-of-arms to suit their pretenses. Maybe my Daniell family of Canterbury had rights to use these arms, but I think we have a lot of work to do yet before James and Felix’s genealogical origins are known.

Mantell, Daniell & Adams of King's School, Canterbury

The Mantell, Daniell and Adams children at King’s School, Canterbury. More Mantell dates and places found. Biography of Francis Daniell, attorney and soldier, of Canterbury. By Greg Ramstedt, 2 Oct 2010

Of the many recent family history discoveries, I was so excited to hear from Peter Henderson, archivist of the King’s School, Canterbury. I am grateful for his generosity in sending me several family references from the registers of this very ancient school that is situated right next to Canterbury Cathedral. I knew from Francis Daniell’s (1773-1858) diary that he attended this school in the mid-1780s, but I had no idea just how extensively the Mantell and Daniell families used the King’s School to educate their children over several generations. Peter wrote me a few weeks ago with evidence from the school registers that these ancestors of mine attended:

***Lady Day 1721 MANTELL, William (to Lady 1726). Probably b. c1713. s. of Walter Mantell of Horton Priory, Monk’s Horton, and Jane, née Bell. Royal Navy 1730: Lieutenant 1740; Commander 1749; Captain 1749. m. Mary Hubble 1753. d. 13 December 1765; buried 21 December. Will: PCC 20 January 1766. Brother of Walter (below). [Charnock; Syrett & DiNardo]
***Christmas 1721 MANTELL, Walter (to Mich. 1723). Probably b. c1711. s. of Walter Mantell of Horton Priory, Monk’s Horton, and Jane, née Bell. Of Horton Priory. d. 17 September 1758; buried 20 September at Sellinge. Brother of William (above).
***1753 DANIELL, James. Adm. 2 July. b. 8 October 1744; bapt. 11 October at St Mary Magdalene, Canterbury. s. of James Daniell and Jane, dau. of Walter Mantell. KS 21 October 1754 - Mich. 1759. Left Mich. 1759. East India Company: Governor of Masulipatam. Feast Society. m. Lucy, dau. of Peregrine Butler of Dungarvan, Ireland. d. 15 October 1802 at Ramsgate; buried 25 October at St Paul’s, Canterbury. MI. Portrait by Richard Crosse. Will: PCC 12 November 1802. Brother of Francis (1757); father of James (1784) and Edward (1791).
***1757 DANIELL, Francis. Adm. 11 July. b. 24 March 1748/9; bapt. 31 March at St Alphege’s, Canterbury. s. of James Daniell and Jane, dau. of Walter Mantell. KS 4 April 1758 - Xmas 1762. Left Xmas 1762. Attorney. Army. m. Ann, dau. of George Adams 1772. d. 7 June 1793; buried 12 June at St Paul’s, Canterbury. Brother of James (1753); father of Francis (1784) and James Richard (1788).
***1784 DANIELL, Francis. Adm. 12 January. b. 22 December 1773 at Windsor, Berkshire. s. of Francis Daniell (1757), attorney, and Ann, dau. of George Adams. KS 7 December 1784 - Mids. 1788. Left 1788. m. Joanna, dau. of John Wills 1797. d. 25 October 1858 at Corby, Lincolnshire. Brother of James Richard (1788).
***1784 DANIELL, James. Adm. 29 September. b. 19 June 1773 at Cuddalore, East Indies; bapt. 8 January 1789 at St Mary, Marylebone. s. of James Daniell (1753), Governor of Masulipatam, East Indies, and Lucy, dau. of Peregrine Butler. KS 25 February 1785 - Mids. 1787. Left Mids. 1787. m. Eliza Martha Pasley Hodges 1795. East India Company: director 1809-25. d. 28 December 1839 at Broadclyst, Devon. Portrait by Andrew Plimer in Victoria and Albert Museum. Probably Will: PCC 21 January 1840. Brother of Edward (1791).
***1788 MANTELL, Augustus William. Adm. 11 July. b. 6 May 1777 at Holborn, London; bapt. 8 May at the Lying In Hospital, Endell Street, Holborn. s. of Henry Mantell and Mary. KS Xmas 1788 - Lady 1793. Left Lady 1793. Of Horton Priory, Monks Horton, Kent. d. 5 October 1833. Will: ADC 2 November 1833.
***1788 DANIELL, James Richard. Adm. 14 July. b. 1 January 1780 at Lambeth, Surrey. s. of Francis Daniell (1757), attorney, and Ann, dau. of George Adams. KS Lady 1789 - Xmas 1792. Left Xmas 1792. Royal Navy. East India merchant service. d. 3 August 1802 at High Beech Villa, Waltham, Essex. Will: PCC 6 September 1802. Brother of Francis (1784).
***1791 DANIELL, Edward. Adm. 9 January. b. 13 August 1782 at Masulipatam; bapt. 29 January 1789 at Faversham, Kent. s. of James Daniell (1753) Governor of Masulipatam, East Indies, and Lucy, dau. of Peregrine Butler. Commoner. Left ( ). d. 1791/9; ‘drowned on the Bengal River by the Boat being overset by a squall of wind.’ [Faversham parish register] Brother of James (1784).

Below are a few entries on the Adams family. Francis Daniell (1749-1793) married in 1772 to Ann Adams (1752-1834).
***1765 ADAMS, George, Adm. 8 July. b. 16 October 1753; bapt. 11 November at St Mary the Virgin, Dover, Kent. s. of George Adams, innholder, and Sarah, née Powell. KS 31 October 1766 - Xmas 1767. Left Xmas 1767. Upholsterer, auctioneer and cabinet maker of the Minories, London. m. Sarah Price 1777. d. 8 March 1831 at Greenwich. Brother of John (below) and William (1768).
***ADAMS, John. Adm. 8 July. b. 8 February 1755; bapt. 5 March at St Mary the Virgin, Dover, Kent. s. of George Adams, innholder, and Sarah, née Powell. KS 31 October 1766 - Lady 1767. Left Lady 1767. Brother of George (above) and William (1768).
***1768 ADAMS, William. Adm. 6 October. b. 8 February 1758; bapt. 21 February at St Mary the Virgin, Dover, Kent. s. of George Adams, vintner, and Sarah, née Powell. KS 5 February 1770 - Xmas 1772. Left Xmas 1772. Brother of George and John (both 1765).

Peter Henderson explained some of the material in this way, “I append the extracts from the school register (still a work on progress). The initial date before each name is when they entered the school – or in the pre-1750 cases when they became a King’s Scholar. Before 1750, we only have records of scholars and the dates there are the quarters when the scholarship was paid. Thus William was a King’s Scholar for 5 years, the maximum, and may well have been at the school for longer. After 1750, the entry book often has the date of birth as well as father’s name and occupation.”

It is great that Peter was able to use some of my information at Rootsweb’s WorldConnect Project (http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=gregramstedt&id=I777) to fill in relationship details. (Actually, I was surprised to go to WorldConnect a few minutes ago, type in ‘Walter Mantell’ and come up with hundreds of other submissions. A few years ago my Mantell pedigree was the only one online. It looks like a lot of borrowing, sharing and new research has taken place since then.) Peter has also found much useful biographical information in the Cathedral Archives to add to the basic information in the school registers.

I thank Peter for his great work!

I sent Peter some entries from Francis Daniell’s diary which mention the King’s School.

Title page:
Extracts From the Diaries of Francis Daniell, 1780-1855: Made by himself from the original diaries which were buried with him, in accordance with his wish, at Corby, Lincolnshire. Volume 1: 1780-1829. Copied from the Original Ms. abstract diary, 1913.

1782: I was placed at the King School, Canterbury and the year following was made a King’s scholar in that ancient seminary.

1784: Having just recovered from a severe Tertian Ague I was most cruelly flogged at night by the Head Master (Dr. Tucker) for obeying the orders of a boy named Foster, who fagged me, and afterwards was the first to betray me. I think it was this year my cousin James Daniell arrived from India and was placed with me at the King’s School. My mother joins my father in France who was supposed to be on his death bed in that country.

1785: On my father’s recovery in France he sent for me and I witnessed with him many and severe deprivations. Both on the Continent and England. At Chelsea, Lambeth, Marchalsey Prison, etc., etc.

1788: This year my Uncle Daniell returned from India very rich – Paid off my father’s debts – Built a nice house for him at Canterbury and settled Four Hundred a year on him for life. My excellent Grandmother and friend (Jane Daniell, formerly Jane Mantell) departed this life at Canterbury and was buried in the family vault in St. Pauls Church – at Canterbury. I believe it was this year I was removed from the King’s School to that of Harrow-on-the-Hill with my cousin James Daniell, who was afterwards expelled the school with the late Lord Edward Fitzgerrad for heading a general row. [“FitzGerald” added below by some unknown person.—Greg Ramstedt comment.]

[I think these entries in the extracted diary must have been added in the 1840s when Francis Daniell (1773-1858) was editing his diary. The extracted diary as a whole contains several entries where he refers to friends and acquaintances from his childhood days at King’s School, Harrow-on-the-Hill and Shooter’s Hill School, especially the last of these schools.—Greg Ramstedt comment.]

Mr. Henderson again was very kind to look up the names Foster and Dr. Tucker in the King’s School registers. Here is what he found:

***1779 FOSTER, Francis. Adm. 12 July. b. 4 March 1771 [1772 in Entry Book]; bapt. 20 March at St Leonard’s, Deal, Kent. s. of William Foster Esq. (deceased) and Mary, née Edwards of Deal. Commoner. Left Mids. 1785.
***1763 TUCKER, John. Adm. 12 January. b. and privately bapt. 25 March 1758 at Canterbury; received into the congregation 14 April at Canterbury Cathedral. s. of Revd John Tucker (1731), Lower Master of the King’s School, and Jane, dau. of William Gurney, Lower Master of the King’s School. KS 19 April 1767 - Lady 1772. Left Mich. 1775. Adm. pens. at Trinity College, Cambridge 29 December 1774, aged 16. Matric. Mich. 1775; Scholar; BA 1779, 8th Senior Optime; MA 1782. Ord. deacon (Coventry & Lichfield) 24 September 1780; priest (Rochester) 30 March 1782. Lower Master, King’s School, Canterbury 1779-82; Headmaster 1782-85. Rector of Gravesend 1782-1811. Feast Society Preacher 1783. Rector of Luddenham 1784-1811. m. (1) Elizabeth, dau. of Henry Nicholls of Barham; (2) Sarah, dau. of Richard Harvey, farmer of Barfreston Court 1782. ‘Kept a seminary for young gentlemen’ at Hever Court, near Gravesend after retiring from Canterbury. Perpetual Curate of Wingham 1800-11. d. 26 February 1811; buried 2 March at Wingham Church. MI. Will: PCC 27 April 1811. Brother of Stephen (1771). [Sidebotham; Venn; Nichols, Ill. Vol. VI].
Also on John Tucker, the Lower Master (i.e. Second Master) and then Headmaster, and an old boy of the school. He was not a successful Headmaster.

I was particularly excited that Peter found that Francis Daniell (1749-1793) was an attorney. The original school register entry of 1784 says the father is ‘Fran: D. Attor:’ which certainly must be an abbreviation for attorney. In the burial register of St. George’s Canterbury for 12 June 1793 it shows, “Francis Daniel, a soldier, from the Barracks, at St. Pauls.” His son, Francis Daniell Jr. (1773-1858), wrote in his diary on 14 May 1811 that his father completed his “articles” at Windsor, so I assumed that had something to do with military training. After all, there was a castle with garrisons at Windsor Castle. The son’s christening on 19 June 1774 at New Windsor, Berkshire, lists the father as a “soldier.” It does not seem likely he was a common soldier, though, given his wider family connections. His travels in France in 1785 also suggest something beyond a foot soldier. Finding out that he was an attorney helps fill in the gaps.

It just occurred to me a few minutes ago that perhaps “articles” may refer to training as a lawyer. I note below that Francis (1749-1793) had an uncle Alexander Sunderland who lived in Windsor, Berkshire, in 1768. That’s got to be it! It may turn out that Alexander had a law firm. This is certainly worth following up to know one way or another. I love how the spirit of discovery works! I just checked the 1811 entry in the diary and see, “Mr. Bash, a solicitor of Wickham, called on me – he served his articles with my father at Windsor.” So, there was some sort of law firm at Windsor that Daniell, Bash and probably Sunderland were connected to. That is great. The pieces of the story are slowly falling in place.

I have seen Francis Daniell’s (1749-1793) signature twice. He signs his marriage allegation in 1772, which incidentally also contains the signature of his father-in-law George Adams Sr. (ca. 1713/1719-1802) of Canterbury. Ann Adams was underage and required her father’s signature. The allegation is recorded with the Vicar General of the Archbishop of Canterbury, GS film 368963. Francis Sr. also signed as a witness to the 1777 marriage of George Adams Jr. (1753-1831) and Sarah Price. Also, I have a copy of a letter dated Ellore [India] 5 June 1769 written in the hand of James Daniell (1744-1802) to Robert Palk in which he writes, “I have a younger brother, Sir, who is just entering on the Stage of life, in the Caracter of a lawyer—And, tho’ his Occupation is no great recommendation to him, I hope he will not permit it to Conquer either his honour or his honesty, and while he possesses these qualities, my purse shall support him against the fr....s of fortun[?]. If you find his merit equal to my description of it, I humbly request you will stretch out your arm to assist him, whenever he may require your services, if they are not attended with too much inconvenience to yourself – I am sure, Sir, you will excuse this my presumption, because you are capable of feeling how anxious I am for the welfare of a brother, for whom I have the most fraternal fondness – And, tho’ I can only return your Goodness with my thanks, I am confident that will not, with you, be a reason to reject my recommendation.” The British Library has the original letter which is Add. 34,686 f. 105.

Now I feel embarrassed that I had this information since 2005 that Francis Sr. was training to be a lawyer. I never tried to read this 1769 letter until tonight because James Daniell’s (1744-1802) handwriting was difficult. There must be some sort of position in the army where a man could be both a soldier and an attorney, and which perhaps caused Francis Sr. to travel to France in 1785. Perhaps it was a diplomatic position.

Robert Palk’s seat was at Haldon House, in Devonshire, and he seems to have left India by 1769. He had been governor of Madras from 1763 to 1767. In 1782 he became a baronet. Thomas Palk, relative of Robert Palk, was the whole reason that Francis Daniell Jr. (1773-1858) was sent to Devonshire in 1792 where he eventually established his subsequent career.

I will write elsewhere how I found the christening dates at Elmsted, Kent, of the three remaining Mantell children, offspring of Walter Mantell (1687-1741) and Jane Bell (died 1775), so it is nice to have the exact information for all eight of the siblings.

1. Jane Mantell chr. 17 July 1709 at Sellinge, Kent, England; married 6 March 1743/1744 at St. Martin-in-the-Fields, Westminster, London to James Daniell (1707-1758); died 13 Jan. 1788 at St. George’s, Canterbury, Kent; buried 19 Jan. 1788 St. Paul’s, Canterbury. Their marriage entry and marriage allegation led me to Elmsted, Kent, which seems to fit in with other wider family relationships. These people all figure in the 1801 Chancery Court lawsuit Daniell v. Daniell, along with several of their relatives.

2. Walter Mantell chr. 7 May 1711 in Elmsted, Kent; died 17 Sept. 1758 in Sellinge, Kent. Several years ago I chose to assign 1758 as his death date, and 1741 has his father’s death date. I hope I have that right.

3. William Mantell chr. 23 April 1713 at Elmsted, Kent; married 18 July 1753 at St. Martin-in-the-Fields, Westminister, London to Mary Hubble; died 13 Dec. 1765; buried 21 Dec. 1765 at Sellinge, Kent. He was a captain in the Royal Navy. His marriage allegation has also been found. Mary remarried Thomas Colby, Commissioner for Victualling His Majesty’s Navy, on 25 April 1768 at Chatham, Kent, England. The Daniell v. Daniell suit in Chancery Court in 1801 involves all of these people. For the lawsuit, see Reports of Cases Argued and Determined in the High Court of Chancery from the Year 1789 to 1817, published 1827 by Francis Vesey, pages 296 to 299. The National Archives reference number for this Chancery case is C 13/586/31.

4. Margaret Mantell chr. 9 Sept. 1716 Elmsted, Kent; married Alexander Sunderland (of Windsor, Berks. and of Eaton/Easton, Bucks.) Alexander was of Eaton, Buckinghamshire when he wrote his will on 10 May 1759. In 1768 they are described of Windsor, Berkshire. His PCC will is proved 26 March 1770 by his wife Margaret. They are mentioned in the 1801 Daniell v. Daniell lawsuit.

5. Anne Mantell chr. 11 April 1722 at Sellinge, Kent; buried 13 June 1722 at same.

6. Henry Mantell chr. 10 Oct. 1723 at Sellinge, Kent; died about 1788/1789 at Greenwich, Kent. I estimated his death based on Land Tax Assessments (LTAs) of Horton Priory. He was supposedly a purser in the Royal Navy and inherited Horton Priory after his brother William’s death in 1765. I wondered for years whether Greenwich might mean he lived at the Greenwich Hospital there. He is the father of Augustus William Mantell (1773-1833) of Horton Priory. The christening of Augustus William gives the mother’s name as Mary, who I believe lived until about 1802/1803 (based on LTAs). There is a Frederick Henry Mantell, Lt. Nottingham Militia, buried in 1808 in Sellinge, so perhaps Henry had more than one child. Earlier today I think I found Henry’s marriage and burial information. A Henry Mantell, widower, married on 21 July 1776 at St. Mary’s Lambeth, Surrey, to Mary Winter. Prior to this, there is a Henry Mantell of Hyth, Kent, married on 29 May 1767 at St. Mary’s Newington, Surrey, to Alice Hill, widow. The signatures of Henry seem to be very close from 1767 to 1776. I also found the burial on 3 April 1788 at St. Mary’s Lambeth of a Henry Mantell of “Hospital.” Henry is mentioned in Edward Hasted’s The History and Topographical Survey of the County of Kent, published 1790, on page 319. See also Northamptonshire Notes & Queries, edited by John Taylor, published in 1890, on page 138 and 139. Henry is also mentioned in the 1801 lawsuit as a “mariner.” I think there was some serendipity at work in supposing that he probably lived at the Greenwich Hospital. I know that records of patients exist for that naval hospital, so there is another avenue to pursue to see if I may have guessed correctly.

7. Anna Mantell chr. 20 July 1726 at Sellinge; buried 12 Sept. 1728 at Sellinge, Kent.

8. Ann Mantell chr. 6 Oct. 1728 at Sellinge; buried 13 Oct. 1728 at same.

By Greg Ramstedt, 2 Oct. 2010